Thursday, January 4, 2007

Count On It

One of the symptoms I usually hide (but that takes up much of my time) is counting. With my OCD, there are "good" numbers and "bad" numbers. I mentioned before that I grew up in a Christian home, so a lot of my "good" and "bad" numbers stems from the Bible and my spiritual beliefs. Some of the good and bad numbers have changed over the years--they're not necessarily static. Here's a list of some of my good and bad numbers, and reasons why.

1 - Good number, for example, because there is 1 God.
2 - It varies back and forth. Some times it plays into my fears of sexual contamination because it could represent two people or two same-sex people.
3 - Good number. The Trinity has 3 parts.
4 - This is one of my favorite numbers, and I don't really know why. But it's very safe, and very popular in my counting.
5 - It used to be bad, since there are 5 star points on the pentagram, but now it can be good, since we have 5 fingers/toes on our hands/feet, and God made them.
6 - Used to be a bad number because of its connection with the mark of the beast, but now it's kind of OK.
7 - Often called the "perfect" number. This number is good, but I don't use it that often in my counting, since in my OCD brain it's a more "holy" number, and I don't want to use it for fear of doing something bad with it.
8 - Used to be bad because a spider has 8 legs, and spiders can represent Halloween and evil. But now it's actually a good number.
9 - This is kind of along the lines as the number 7. The Trinity has 3 parts, and there are three 3s in 9, so that makes it especially "holy".
10 - Ten is a good number for me.
11 - Falls in the same category as the number 2, since adding its numbers together equals 2.
12 - Twelve is in a similar category as 7 and 9, since 12 is the number of Jesus + the 11 good disciples (Judas Iscariot was not good).
13 - Surprisingly, 13 is a good number. I'm not superstitious in the typical ways you'd think. Also, adding the numbers together is 4, a good number.
14 - This number would pretty much be equal to the number 5, since that's the total if you add the letters together.

You can pretty much work up from there by adding the numbers together and referring back to this list.
(Note: as a courtesy to other OCDers who may be reading this, I ended the list on 14 instead of 13, so as not to inspire stress if 13 is a bad number for you, since 13 is a popular bad number).

Now for the counting.

I count a lot of things. I count when I wash my hands. If the soap is pump-style, I usually do one set of 2 squirts of soap on my hands, then one set of 2 squirts of soap to wash up on my arm (to about mid-forearm on my right hand, since it is my wiping hand), then at least two sets of 2 more squirts of soap to clean my hands again.

If the soap is bar soap, I'll usually stick it in the stream of water 4 times before I wash my hands, 4 times before I wash up on my arm, and at least 2 sets of 4 times to wash my hands again, followed by 1 final time in the stream of water before I put the soap back. Sometimes if I have a bad thought or if it doesn't fell "right", I'll have to do more sets of 4.

If you're reading this and you don't have OCD, you might think that people would consider me a freak. But I'm good at hiding this, and usually only do it in my head, or out loud when I'm alone. I hate that I have to count. It takes up time, and it's not fun. But there's a lot of things that OCD has me do that aren't fun.

On lighter note, I think it would be fun to do a Broadway show based on OCD. It could be called "Night at the Soap-a-cabana" or "Let Me Count the Ways". Yeah? No? :)

24 comments:

iluvpronger said...

Thanks for posting this. I also have an obsession with counting things. I have had it for many years. I often count so much that I don't even realize it, since it's like a subconscious thing. The only difference is that whatever I count has to equal 21. No matter what it is. I will even add, subtract or divide as long as it ends up being 21. I love to read, but I often have to read the same sentences over and over. I will have to count paragraphs or letters in a word. It becomes so annoying always having to count things. It really zaps my time and energy. For a long time, I did not know that this was a form of obsessive compulsive disorder.

iluvpronger said...

Oh, by the way... there is ONE upside! I can usually tell how many letters are in most words. This makes me a pretty decent speller. That's about it, though!

irie said...

I too have good/bad numbers. For some reason, I associate these numbers with my fingers...so some fingers are good and bad too. For ex, 2=pinky=good, 1=thumb=bad.

In addition, often while I watch tv, I can't get certain sentences out of my head...it just sounds "right." The only way to get rid of the phrase is to count the number of letters and syllables that make up that phrase to see if they result is a multiple of 5.

Ironically 90%+ of the time they are. The more complex the better and I love words that contain the letter "w", i can either count it as 1 letter, 1 syllable or 1 letter, 3 syllables - "duh-buhl-yoo."

It's definitely weird and given I count to myself, I'm not bothering anyone so...

Rick said...

I assign a number to each letter based on it's order in the alphabet, a=1 and z=26. Then, usually while I pee or when I'm at a stop light or getting gas I find a word and then I count (one-one thousand, two one thousand) out the value of each letter in that word to pass the time. Then if I'm still at the task, I count leaving off the last letter and so on. Sometimes I add it all up in my head and count all the way to the end (harder to do when I am stoned) and other times I count the individual letters only. I have some mental problems and am in therapy, but have never been diagnosed with OCD. It started in 7th grade (I'm 50 now) when I added up the values of all the names of sports teams and divided by the number of letters in the word for an average. I don't do this anymore. I am a science teacher although I never excelled in math, completing only 1 quarter college calculus. I can add numbers pretty fast and have no trouble with the math I have to teach as part of HS Chemistry.

Anonymous said...

I also have a problem with counting things in my head. Everything has to be in sets of four, or if the steps I am taking to do something has more than four sets, I will extend it to make 4 sets of four (16). I always count in sets of four when I chew food, brush my hair and teeth and walk. Things other than that are easier to stop. Luckily I always count in my head so no one notices. I actually get pissed off if I'm walking and trying to keep track of my four sets of four and someone interrupts me by talking, it really throws me off and I just feel like something isn't right if I have to stop mid count.

Anonymous said...

After reading this post I realize I am not so weird after all! I thought I was just crazy or something... I count words to see if they add up to ten letters, if they add to ten then they are perfect. I get an odd sense of joy when I find words that equal ten. It does get annoying though because I get distracted from doing things I need to be doing. I have not actually told anyone I do this but my husband who thinks it's cute!

Tom said...

Hi, I'm 16 and have counted for as long as I can remember. I freakin' hate it!
I don't know why but today I decided to do some research on it and I'm glad to see it's not just me, I feel better about it now. Although I was pretty upset when I realised it was a form of OCD!

I always count in my head, never out loud. Also, it's always in sets of 2 and HAS to add up to 40. It used to have to add up to an even number ... I don't know why it's 40 now.

I count things such as window panes, but not just the window panes. Oh no, that's not enough. I end up counting the corners and sides of each pane. Or I'll count different parts of peoples faces (I know, this sounds weird) For example, I'll count the lips as 2, then the nostrils, the main part of the nose and the bit in between the nostrils as an additional 4... etc etc. There are so many other things.

When I count, half the time I don't even realize I'm doing it! I'll be talking to someone and start counting then think "Crap! I didn't listen to a word he just said!" Over the years, I've gotten pretty good at covering it up.

I'll also start counting whilst watching TV or a movie and completely miss the plot, normally I just rewind it but when other people are round I can't. (This is especially annoying when I bought the damn movie)

I hide my counting well and I've never discussed it with my family or friends, this is the first I've openly said anything about it and I do feel a bit relieved that it's not just me :)

I do hope that one day my "OCD" (I hate to have to call it that) goes away but I guess there's a good chance it won't.

Anonymous said...

Tom, I do more or less the same thing as you. Have been most of my life. For me it's not intrusive, just a part of my brain that's always on. If it means anything to you, I have a Ph.D. in history, a decent job, a lovely (hot!) wife, and a beautiful old house. Not bad for a "counter." You'll be fine, just work hard.

Anonymous said...

I also count things and it takes up way too much of my time. I count the food on my plate,clothes in a closet,whatever I am doing at the time. I also have a bad habit of when I am reading I will read certain lines over and over. Especially if it is well written or strikes me as interesing. I have always wondered if I am OCD.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I can't believe i've never looked this up before. i have known for quite awhile i have this ocd number problem. I'm glad that i'm not alone. I've felt strange for so long. As a child, I thought i was just superstitous. As an adult I realize its more than that. I hate even numbers except for the number 2. its sort of ok. I like odd numbers except for the number 5. Thats because of an incident when i was a child. I check my cooking stove all the time(there are 5 knobs - so i touch each one to make sure its off and then touch the top of the stove 2 times to equal 7. I always think something bad will happen if i dont do these number rituals. One of my favorite numbers is 3. I'm always touching things 3 times. if i misscount i go back and do it 3 again and again and again until i get it right. So many things i could say. it would take too much time. im just glad im not alone. I have tried to not do this from time to time hoping that the bad things would not happen but have been proven wrong every time. That is what continues to be a major problem with me. I also hide it well....except I have confided in my closet family members. They just accept this about me.

tadd said...

Hey fellow counters, much love. Just was diagnosed with OCD and am pretty weirded out about finally giving it a label that belongs to a mental disorder, but, good to know that I can do something about it. My case isn't so extreme as others but I like counting the number five. IT is also subconcious but now that I am aware of it more I am drivint myself a little batty. I just recently started realizing other symptoms but I will stick to numbers. I count while driving, always the number five. It has to be in between poles any pole or sign on the side of the street. Ii has to be timed exact. 1..2..3..4..5 or 1....2....3....4....5. IT has to be right on time with the next pole. Thanks for letting me share, God bless!

amanda said...

hello everyone
what a relief it is to hear all your experiences i to am acounter it ha sto be 12 for me i like the order 1 and 2 is 3 123 is anatural order of things but i like to divide words inot 12 and then multiples of 12, hmmmm i am also looking into asberges syndrome to explain other symtpoms so a scary path in front of me
thanks for being so brave
amanda

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Katie said...

I have a # problem too, only mine's a bit different

Depending on how stressed I am, I begin with either a 3, 4 or 5(bad days) digit number then work my way down.

345
234
123
012
901
890, etc... I just found out I have ocd, and this is one of my 'tricks'. Also, I can 'see' months and numbers, they have a certain placement in my mind, but above and inside my eyes. This is something that I also learned is quite different from a lot of other folks. And here I was, most of my life trying to be like everyone else, when really...I don't have a chance!

Anonymous said...

Yes....I too have a form of OCD and am obsessed with counting. When I count it always has to equal to 24. Whether it is 3 words with eight letters in them (8 times 3 is 24) or if I see 6 cars I have to multiple them by four or count them 4 times. Its been going on since I was in middle school. I have to take an even number of steps or touch something both with the right or left hand so that I wont feel unbalanced.

Also, I tend to bite the inside of my lips and jaws but always 24 times. This has caused me to constantly stay distracted and unfocused. My dentist calls me a "biter". I just recently spoke with my doctor about it and have been researching the condition. He has put me on a medicine to help with the concentrating, focusing, and OCD habits. Its always nice to find that Im not 'alone'.

Good Luck EVERYONE!!

Anonymous said...

Yes....I too have a form of OCD and am obsessed with counting. When I count it always has to equal to 24. Whether it is 3 words with eight letters in them (8 times 3 is 24) or if I see 6 cars I have to multiple them by four or count them 4 times. Its been going on since I was in middle school. I have to take an even number of steps or touch something both with the right or left hand so that I wont feel unbalanced.

Also, I tend to bite the inside of my lips and jaws but always 24 times. This has caused me to constantly stay distracted and unfocused. My dentist calls me a "biter". I just recently spoke with my doctor about it and have been researching the condition. He has put me on a medicine to help with the concentrating, focusing, and OCD habits. Its always nice to find that Im not 'alone'.

Good Luck EVERYONE!!

Anonymous said...

Hi, I have a problem with counting numbers. I don't know how it started but I didand it's horrible!! I do things 4 times with onne hand then 4 times with the other. Then another 4 times (left) then another 4 times right and then I do it all again but with the other hand starting. I don't know if it makes sence but this is driving me crazy. also it happens with walking and touching things a certain number of tomes or saying ok I have to do something a certain number of times or else this happens. I'm worried because I'm young and I don't want this to take over my life.

Anonymous said...

Wow, so glad I'm not the only one!! I have problems counting also. Everything has to add up to 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 etc. I will even bend the"rules" if it doesn't add up, just so I don't go crazy :) For example if I'm counting colors gray can sometimes count as 2 (white and gray).

I've never talked about it before so I know it sounds really crazy to someone who does not have OCD. But the counting usually relaxes me or puts my mind at ease. A lot of the time I don't even realize that I am counting until something something doesn't add up.

Thanks for the Post everyone, nice to know I'm not the only one :)

Anonymous said...

I was reading your comments and just realized that I might have an OCD with numbers! When i'm looking at a digitial clock, I'll see the numbers and try to add, divide, subtract, or multiply them together to make consecutive numbers: 1-whatever. For example, if the time is 12:34, there's a 1, 2, 3, 4, and then 4+1=5, 4+2=6, 4+3=7, 4x2=8....and I will continue to do this until I find the highest number! And then, when the time changes, I get angry that I can't see the original numbers anymore, and I'll start over! One time, I sat around for 10 minutes doing this, and it really distracts me. It's cool to know that other people are attracted to numbers just as much as I am! Though I wish I could stop doing this...

Caitlyn said...

It is so nice to know that I am not the only one who does this. I have been counting letters since I can remember. It was never distracting until recently. What I do is take a word, say, "obsessive", and I put the letters in alphabetical order like, beiosv, thats 6 letters, but obessive uses these letters abeiosvwxyz. I know it sounds crazy. I like to write the letters down too, in order and then circle them. I can't stop. I can't sleep at night because my mind races and I count and alphabetize and count again. I wish I could stop.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I don't know if I have an obsession but I do something like counting and want to know what you guys think of it. I too hear a phrase on the tv or something someone says and it sticks in my mind and the only way to get rid of it is to divide it. So I divide the letters invo groups of a common multiple like in groups of 3 but they all have to fit in, if not I add in a full stop at the end or make the beginning letter a capital one as that counts for 2. Once i've done that I feel satisfied. Even so, lately i've been doing something different where I rearrange the letters in a word so it is symmetrical. For instance with laura (my name) it would be alura as the a goes on the end and the vowel goes in the middle as the consonants are more alike than the consonant and the vowel. This can be really irritating if it is a agh complicated word and sometimes I even have to write it down to crack it but I have to do it otherwise it irritates me. Thie dividing has been going on for years since I was a child but this rearranging has only been going on about a year.

Patti said...

Unlike a lot of OCD counters, I find it quite comforting to count. My magic number is 15 and believe me, I need to have 15 in what ever I count. I will also take anything that ends in a 5 if it's over 15. I don't divide or subtract, but add and add numbers together etc. I do not think the number sequence 7-11 or the time 7:11 is lucky, in fact I hate it! Now 911 or 9:11 is good to me. I constantly count words. I am a writer and this used to hinder my writing but now I seem to just go with it.
I was on Paxil for a few years and that took my counting and panic attacks away. But I honestly missed counting and was kind of happy when I started to count again once off the meds.

Anonymous said...

I too have a similar problem, but not as bad as most of you guys. I am constantly counting inside my head even when I don't realise i'm doing it. I count from 1 to 5 but I say the numbers to myself in random orders, but always using all the numbers. I do the same with the numbers 6 to 10, always saying each number inside my head. If I think of a number more than once I then have to think of all the other numbers to complete the set. I have no reason for doing it that I know of, can't remember when it started and although it doesn't rule my life, its always there. I swish saliva around in my mouth as i'm counting a lot of the time as well and that sometimes makes the inside of my mouth feel funny. I'm glad its not just me!

Anonymous said...

I'm not going to go into my life long story of my OCD, but I count, and I count excessively.

I find that I always have to complete something I'm doing within a certain time limit, which is normally 10 seconds; at times I cheat my brain and it cheats me by counting slower, so I can achieve what I'm doing within the time frame (and I usually allow myself to rationale this slowness), or `my brain` speeds up the counting really fast to force me to complete something, or have to repeat it.

I'm not sure where the number 10 came from.

I'm 21 and the majority of my life that I've had OCD, the number 4 has been my number, but over the last year or so it's been replaced with 10.

I've been reading alot of blogs about OCD and find that many people find the number 4 comes up more often as someone's holy number.

Maybe it could be music, I'd say that I've always listened more music than the majority of people do, and find that the number 4 plays a vital role in it, such as repeating lines 4 times before hitting the chorus, the chorus being repeated 4 times, and the instruments playing a loop of 4 times before hitting the lyrics or a noticeable change in the music.